All timestamps are Central Time. It seems Mr Kevin could not understand a few things:
1) Funds are not available for refund, DESPITE this I offered him a partial refund for the amount he paid, less the amount of the cpanel license which is non-refundable.
2) we have an initial 14-day return policy, as outline in our terms of service that is agreed to by registering and ordering service. During downtime, credit is given for every day without service, DESPITE this I was willing him to refund him the amount that we didn't send for the cpanel license
3) Mr kevin was receiving 3 VPS, 4 IPs, PLUS a $15 cpanel license for $30 per month. Thats $5 per VPS. Since the 3rd VPS was added a couple months later, he only paid $25 the last TWO times. In asking for a refund he was asking for ALL of the amount, which we already paid for his cpanel license at $15. His billing date had been changed. And he was offered the partial refund for the full amount of service that we received payment for besides the external overhead costs.
4) Mr Kevin explicitly lied to paypal, completely fabricating a claim. Claim as shown below.
5) in continued harassment from Mr Kevin, he has called me a child, a thief, and a liar. Not sure when I ever lied, or when I was thieving, but I think we can all see who the liar is.
6) the fact that there is a new brand coming out is true. I have developed a website for a new company and am honored to be part of the project. The decision to not disclose the project details are due to the un-relation between cubichost, and the new entity.
Paypal dispute:
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* 11/22/2009 09:40 PST - PayPal: Buyer escalated this dispute to a Claim.
* 11/22/2009 09:40 PST - Buyer: hi, seller is un willing to provide proof of shipment and is only willing to provide a partial refund. i am not willing to partially pay for something i never recieved...especially over and over again. kevin
* 11/22/2009 09:38 PST - Buyer: hi, person never shipped me the thumbdrive i payed for. additionally the payment was setup as recurring so i have been being billed for this over and over again. thanks, kevin
Conversation: (via MSN)
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(11:03:24 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: process me a refund for this month
(11:03:35 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: your stuff has been down for 2 weeks
(11:03:47 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ...done
(11:03:54 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: ...done?
(11:03:56 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: woops
(11:03:58 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: wrong im
(11:04:02 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: i was gonna say
(11:04:04 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: what was done?
(11:04:08 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: anyways
(11:04:15 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: process me a refund for this last month
(11:04:39 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: cpanel license is non-refundable. The rest, I can do though.
(11:04:56 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i can't even use the cpanel license if your stuff is down
(11:05:10 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: .....why am i paying for the license if you are having 75 percent down time
(11:05:18 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: im not eating that cost
(11:05:21 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: Open a ticket first thing when server is back online
(11:05:35 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ...why would i open a ticket
(11:05:36 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: your here now
(11:05:46 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: refunds are processed via the billing system
(11:05:59 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: go into paypal and take care of it
(11:06:00 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: refunds are processed via the billing system
(11:06:02 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: refunds are processed via the billing system
(11:06:02 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: refunds are processed via the billing system
(11:06:24 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: all records are kept in the clients database
(11:06:32 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ok. so you can ammend it later
(11:06:45 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: Open a ticket first thing when server is back online
(11:07:10 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: Let me just shed the information direct to you, instead of beating around the bush
(11:07:20 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i don't want to wait for the server to come back online
(11:07:42 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: Paypal does not have enough for refunds right now. Other clients refunds have brought the balance down to a number I rather not disclose.
(11:08:01 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i fail to see how that is my problem
(11:08:39 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: its your problem because i technically dont have to refund you, but i am a fair, and honest guy. As soon as the amount is available in paypal, I will process you a refund.
(11:09:00 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: I just disclosed to you WHY I cannot process it at this time
(11:09:02 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: technically i could do a charge back
(11:09:06 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: I didn't have to do that either
(11:09:14 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: you could, and paypal does not cover electronic services
(11:09:28 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: they do when i contact my credit card
(11:09:29 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: like i said, i dont technically HAVE to refund you. I am not trying to keep your money
(11:09:37 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: and the cc compnay makes them
(11:10:00 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: I don't have the amount to refund you, when I do, I will do so
(11:10:12 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: and when exactly is that going to be
(11:12:15 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: well word has it (and im not 100% certain that our provider is going to) that we are getting our server shipped to us so we can co-locate it elsewhere. My partner is going to put in $100, and I am going to somehow come up with a similar amount to put towards service at new provider. Within a couple days of the server being activated, we should have received some invoice payments
(11:12:43 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: doood...that is going to be like 3 weeks
(11:12:46 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: so, a long estimate, and the number your looking for, 2 weeks
(11:12:53 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: 3 weeks is a long shot
(11:12:53 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: not cool
(11:13:02 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: that is too long to wait
(11:13:04 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: your data is also intact
(11:13:05 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: for a refund
(11:13:09 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i don't want my data
(11:13:11 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i don't need it
(11:13:13 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: you can have it
(11:13:19 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: what i want is the refund
(11:14:00 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: so what you can do is process the refund regardless of what your balance is
(11:14:16 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: and eat the refund on your end
(11:15:09 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: My mouth is full
(11:15:18 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: balance is negative, pending claims
(11:15:24 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: not by much, and not for long
(11:15:27 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ok. so add one more to it
(11:15:39 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: its that simple
(11:15:40 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: dude, I don't know about you, but not everybody has money
(11:15:52 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: it doesn't matter if you do or don't
(11:15:58 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: that is the risk you take as a business
(11:16:03 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: Your right
(11:16:13 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: your asking for compassion and with all of this hassle you have lost the right to it
(11:16:14 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: I dont know what you want me to tell you
(11:16:27 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i want you to tell me....im going to do this right now for you
(11:16:35 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: I wish i could tell you
(11:16:37 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: because i can...even though it will hurt more
(11:16:40 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: bull crap
(11:16:43 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: you can
(11:16:47 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: and you know it
(11:16:59 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: im going to give you 10 minutes to think it over
(11:17:04 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: and then im calling my cc compnay
(11:17:11 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: opening a claim and going to the forums
(11:17:27 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: My bank savings, - (NEGATIVE) $105, paypal balance - (NEGATIVE) ~$20
(11:17:30 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: and going to the forums
(11:17:31 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: its okay dude
(11:17:37 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: i already am rebranding
(11:17:44 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: its not the reputation i am worried about
(11:17:47 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i don't care
(11:17:54 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: it will not be hard to find you
(11:17:58 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: wont affect me in the slightest (private registration, proxy, etc)
(11:18:06 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: dog
(11:18:07 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: homie
(11:18:10 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: g unit
(11:18:11 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: no dog
(11:18:12 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: theres no money
(11:18:14 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: no homie nothing
(11:18:15 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: come back another day
(11:18:17 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i don't care
(11:18:30 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: if you think there is no money now...wait 8 more minutes
(11:19:07 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: theres a 14 day refund policy, you agreed to the terms of service when you registered. At any given time if you are without service, you are CREDITED that amount of time
(11:19:17 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: for yearly (which does not apply to you) remaining months can be refunded
(11:19:19 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: do i have to open a claim on all of the payments i made
(11:19:20 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ?
(11:19:27 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: for monthly remaining days cannot be refunded
(11:19:29 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: to make my point with you
(11:19:40 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: the point is i cannot do anything to help you
(11:19:43 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i will put them all through as fraud
(11:19:46 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: paypal balance negative
(11:19:51 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: you cannot refund in that state i do not believe
(11:19:51 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: and get the account completely locked up
(11:20:07 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: listen...im not playing games any more with you
(11:20:12 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: this is complete and utter bull ****
(11:20:13 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: and i never was
(11:20:18 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: paypal balance negative
(11:20:19 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: and im asking you for the last refund now
(11:20:21 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: the point is i cannot do anything to help you
(11:20:30 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: yes you can...you can put it through right now
(11:20:38 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: and put the account to negative further
(11:20:42 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: whats your email address
(11:20:47 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: i doubt it would let me
(11:21:11 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: go right into paypal and go to the last payment and refund it
(11:21:19 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: whats your paypal address
(11:21:25 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: qdoggmets@hotmail.com
(11:21:30 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: or support@zamfoo.com
(11:22:34 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: remember your payments were behind anyways. cpanel subscription (being the biggest factor), was few days before each month that you paid
(11:22:48 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: you also got 2 months courtesy of the 3rd (64 bit) vps of $5
(11:23:04 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: process the last payment
(11:23:10 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: no partials
(11:23:13 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: So between all that, I need to withhold $15 of this payment as the non-refundable cpanel license
(11:23:27 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: if that won't be enough and you will chargeback anyways, then that is the route you will need to take
(11:23:34 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: not good enough
(11:23:36 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: $10 i can refund
(11:23:36 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: $10 i can refund
(11:23:37 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: $10 i can refund
(11:23:37 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: $10 i can refund
(11:23:44 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: process the full thing
(11:23:45 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: if thats not enough tell me now
(11:23:54 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: its not enough
(11:24:01 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: do the whole thing or i will do them all
(11:24:12 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: and claim it as fraud
(11:24:15 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: Dude your like trying to rob a homeless guy of his cardboard box
(11:24:24 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: I have the entire conversation
(11:24:29 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: Its all okay
(11:24:38 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: yea....what are you going to do ...copy and paste text
(11:24:41 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: :))
(11:24:50 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: 3 minutes
(11:24:54 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: 3 minutes then
(11:25:05 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: I offered you a solution
(11:25:08 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: what I could help you with
(11:25:10 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: im calling paypal and the cc company
(11:25:14 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: as i indicated
(11:25:21 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: I was reasonable with you the whole time
(11:25:27 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: gave you good deal
(11:25:36 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: free courtesy's because you forgot to update your sub
(11:25:54 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: even fronted you days ahead of time the paypal license
(11:26:06 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: and this is how you try to screw someone thats already been ****ed?
(11:26:08 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: is it processed yet?
(11:26:18 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: $10 I can process
(11:26:22 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: nope
(11:26:24 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ...calling now
(11:27:51 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: im going to lock your paypal and bank so tight you won't even know what hit you
(11:28:08 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: okay
(11:28:19 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: dude, had fraudulent claims of cc before
(11:28:20 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: it happens
(11:28:22 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: they dont lock you
(11:28:28 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: yea....watch this
(11:28:29 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: yeah
(11:28:32 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: im watching
(11:31:02 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: lol...i have been doing this longer than you
(11:42:29 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ok. welp it looks like there is only one i can do through paypal
(11:42:46 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i hope you have the shipping information for the thumbdrive you were supposed to send me
(11:43:23 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: you screwed up now
(11:43:38 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: you won't see a penny. I was trying to BE NICE, honest and REASONABLE with you.
(11:43:47 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ok. welp lets see what happens
(11:43:47 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: Offering you a partial refund I did not have to offer
(11:43:53 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: now you fabricated to paypal
(11:43:54 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: when you cant provide proof of shipping
(11:44:00 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: you won't see a penny of it, not one
(11:44:13 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ok. well we shall see
(11:44:22 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: should have taken the $10 and shut your greedy ass up
(11:44:38 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: go **** yourself dumpster diver
(11:44:59 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: id dumpster dive any day before I take a homeless mans cardboard box
(11:45:04 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: greedy ****
(11:45:15 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: dog, you lose
(11:45:20 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: just eat **** and die
(11:45:30 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: pardon my french bro, but you screwed up
(11:45:33 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: don't worry...when you come out with a new site...i will bring it to light
(11:45:36 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: no i didn't
(11:45:40 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: see what happens
(11:45:44 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: you wont even know when you see it
(11:45:45 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: when you try and do it
(11:45:58 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: i already have the website developed and everything
(11:46:02 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: you've probably seen it before
(11:46:16 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: do you think this is the first time i have delt with garbage like you
(11:46:18 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: its private, its annonymous, and very unidentifying
(11:46:19 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: i take out the trash
(11:46:25 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: okay
(11:46:26 AM) hostydotnet@hotmail.com: ok...welp we shall see
(11:46:27 AM) c.diz.my.niz@gmail.com: have a nice day
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