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Posted by Enon, 10-24-2016, 10:59 AM
Hello All, I am looking forward to have servers with these rig's at two locations, one is Netherlands and two is US. I found the DC in NL but they do not offer their servers in US so I am shopping around. Specs are as follows: 2xE5-2670-80 v3 384GB of RAM 12x2TB SSD or 24x1TB SSD (~900GB) 10Gbps of Up/down with 200TB something bandwidth and the most important of all 250+ IP address I am not able to find any suitable DC with these configs, I've tried to look at Leaseweb but they do not offer more than 32 IP's, For Softlayer I would need sell my kidney, Still waiting for the quote from rackspace. I do not need managements other than just hardware changes with SLA. Regards.
Posted by CentexHosting, 10-24-2016, 11:20 AM
Not sure you will find any host with that config on there site. That is going to be one that you have to contact and ask them for. 12 x 1 TB SSD and 384 GB Ram is a big server. What are you needing that many IP for?
Posted by Enon, 10-24-2016, 11:21 AM
I will be doing VPS hosting with that server, I guess 250 VPS on that config and that much amount of RAM won't bottleneck the server at all.
Posted by CentexHosting, 10-24-2016, 11:27 AM
would be a nice VPS system I am not sure you would need that many drives. Are you looking to just lease the system or you want to lease to own the server?
Posted by Enon, 10-24-2016, 11:32 AM
I will be doing RAID10 configuration, So I guess I will need it. But suggestions are always welcome About the lease, the problem with the hardware is that it gets old very soon. For example, If I buy E5-2670v3 not then after 6 months Intel may launch v4 and that would attract people more. and I would create problem to sell old hardware for us. But I will look forward to what works out to be a cheaper option.
Posted by TMS - JoseQ, 10-24-2016, 11:33 AM
Are you considering some hefty setup fees? The server is quite expensive and without some high-risk involved on the part of the host (which almost no reputable host will be willing to take), you're not going to find that within your budget unless you're willing to shell out for some hefty setup fees. You may be better off purchasing the server and doing some colo with it too. JoseQ
Posted by JSCL, 10-24-2016, 11:38 AM
FYI, hosts aren't allowed to solicit you on these forums. Those are some beefy servers and very few providers are going to have them on the shelf ready to deploy. Where in the US are you looking in particular?
Posted by Enon, 10-24-2016, 11:45 AM
Dallas or Seattle is good option for me.
Posted by JSCL, 10-24-2016, 11:51 AM
You're going to have a better chance in Dallas due to the availability of more options than in Seattle. Out of interest, why the desire to have one big server? You could divide this in to three and probably do this within budget that way.
Posted by Enon, 10-24-2016, 12:51 PM
Where can I get this config from? or Where can I finance the hardware from?
Posted by SkylakeDC, 10-24-2016, 01:04 PM
If you have your own / lease IP address can announce IP address to your DC.
Posted by JSCL, 10-24-2016, 01:13 PM
The OP does not need to leasing IPv4 ranges. It's going to become more expensive following that route. There's too many 'agents' trying to flog /24's these days. He has appropriate justification, any half decent provider will do him a good price on IP's with servers like these.
Posted by SenseiSteve, 10-24-2016, 01:13 PM
Well, these would have to be custom built, and involve some investment by the provider, so for sure you'll be looking at some hefty setup fees. Get ready to sell one of your kidneys (only kidding about the kidneys). Have you considered collocation?
Posted by Enon, 10-24-2016, 01:22 PM
Setup fees shouldn't be a problem if it's under budget.. i.e around ~300-500USD. I would go for 300USD more, as 500 will go quiet over.
Posted by ayksolutions, 10-24-2016, 11:51 PM
Everything else aside, a 10g port with 200tb of solid bandwidth will push the price as well. Your budget is too low. Go ahead and try OVH in Montreal. It's not US but it's also North America. They are the cheapest out there and you can also buy IPs from them one time I think. Just be prepared for almost no support.
Posted by ExonHost, 10-25-2016, 02:31 AM
You can contact with Incero. I hope they can fulfill your requirements.
Posted by AndriusPetkus, 10-25-2016, 03:19 AM
For a high end hardware I recommend to order and collocate server + lease IP range.
Posted by EugeneWHZ, 10-25-2016, 03:19 AM
I think that the only possible way for you at the moment is: go to the offers section and chose several huge providers for dedicated servers based in locations you are interested in and then contacting all of them with the question and request you have. I think that what you want to order is not posted on web sites of the providers and would be custom built. I think also that long term contract will help you reduce monthly payments. Good luck.
Posted by swiftnoc, 10-25-2016, 03:20 AM
Setup fees are likely needed to keep at this monthly budget. You do talk about ~$128,- / month worth of Ipv4 rental and on top of that a ~$13000,- server per location, this box also will use its fair share of power and bandwidth. A few remarks: - 12 or 24 SSD drives in such a box is a nice setup, but what will you use as a filesystem? you will need a raid controller or HBA and from experience, making all these 12 to 24 SSD drives work as intended (with expected I/O and throughput) will be a enormous challenge. I seen many customers order such a box (with 12+ SSD) then complain that I/O and throughput is not as expected, this is because very experienced storage/system manager must setup and maintain such a system from customer side, not all file-systems and such will play nice on such a setup. - If you go for such setup, ask your provider if its in stock. If its not in stock, you both (provider and you) will likely rather opt to go for the latest generation (v4) E5 http://ark.intel.com/products/91754/...Cache-2_40-GHz such a CPU also supports faster RAM. - For VPS node setups i would recommend a solid pair of central storage nodes with smaller hypervisors. (aka Cloud setup). A single huge node per location is generally not the best idea, for various reasons including maintenance and uptime, manageability, redundancy and throughput per HV. Good luck with your decision.
Posted by taro222, 10-25-2016, 09:27 AM
Why not get multiple powerful servers, instead of one monster server?
Posted by sorfnetworks, 10-25-2016, 09:30 AM
Hello : I think for 1000$ not enough for this configration because of needed lot of RAM - HDD and 10gbs port/200tb bandwith. My idea You make budget around for 2000$
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 10-25-2016, 10:27 AM
Agreed. As others pointed out, I doubt any ISP would have a server like that available on the rack. With a contract or some sort of term commitment, I am sure that you would be able to get what you seek. Honestly, I think the IPv4 is the least amount of the concern based on the OP request.
Posted by Enon, 10-25-2016, 01:37 PM
What kind of configuration I should go for? Term commitments is not the problem, I've been with leaseweb since last few years. Everything works absolutely fine for me but the problem is that I can't have more than 32 IP's/Server. 70%of my servers at Leaseweb are with 1 year commitment. If there's something I can do to add IP's to LW's server that would be great. Like leasing IPv4 address? I am not sure if I am going in the right direction. Last edited by Enon; 10-25-2016 at 01:40 PM.
Posted by ayksolutions, 10-25-2016, 02:00 PM
I thought Leaseweb allows more than 32 Ips with proper justification? Also, I would recommend to check ARIN, RIPE, etc.. and see if you can outright buy IPs in the marketplace, then simply have Leaseweb announce them. It may end up being a heck of a lot cheaper than buying the boxes, depending on how many IPs you actually buy.
Posted by Serverhk, 10-31-2016, 12:30 AM
More possible to buy the server and colocate for your case.
Posted by ReliableSite, 10-31-2016, 01:07 AM
Highly disagree. Tons of sells on WHT that will lease IPs for under $0.50/IP. Last time I checked, providers are offering $1 - $2 per IP. The budget is very do-able for the hardware as it's already 1 generation old. Any provider previously offering similar configurations should be able to work something out easily.
Posted by Arya Ro, 11-01-2016, 06:51 AM
Would a SSD config resolv the problem of good redundancy? Less likely to have failure.
Posted by hivelocitygm, 11-01-2016, 08:07 AM
The only thing I see here that could cause your search any issue is the IPs. Any chance of using IPv6? You can get about 1 billion of those very easily
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-01-2016, 08:25 AM
The IPv4 is the easiest part of his wishlist. I seriously doubt many ISPs have a super server with 384GB of RAM just laying around.
Posted by hivelocitygm, 11-01-2016, 08:57 AM
Surely anyone can order a motherboard with some extra Dimms and have in stock in a few days (if they don't already have in stock) but IPv4 will still be scarce later this week, next week and forever.
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-01-2016, 09:01 AM
I did not say they could not place an order for parts. As previously discussed, any ISP would be willing to build you a super server like this if you are doing term commitment, or some sort of pre-payment if they do not have the parts in stock or server available. That is a complete non-issue at almost any ISP assuming that was the talking point. As I said, I doubt many (not all) have that kind of server in stock just laying around for immediate deployment. As for the IPv4, that is very easy compared to the rest of the order in the OP. No shortage of it at almost any ISP out there.
Posted by Nik-, 11-01-2016, 09:10 AM
I don't think that the IPs are the problem here, we are talking about 24 x 1 TB SSDs though, which in itself is probably 500-1000 bucks a month, depending on cheap or enterprise SSDs. The IPs are maybe around 100-150 bucks a month. Even if you look at cheap hosting companies like Online.net you are paying 600 EUR / month (excludes tax) for 24x 1TB SSDs with Dual E5 and 96 GB RAM. This doesn't include any IP and is not nearly as much RAM as you want and not the powerful E5s you are hoping for. They are using cheap 850 EVOs, which means if they can't even do the price you won't find any company that is able to do it.
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-01-2016, 09:11 AM
That was my point exactly kind sire.
Posted by madRoosterTony, 11-01-2016, 01:50 PM
Here is what I see... 1 Server to do VPS that has the following resources 24 Cores at 2.30 Ghz (24 Cores with Hyperthreading) 384GB of RAM Wanting 1PB of usable SSD Disk Space Here is what would come to mind for me 7 Total Servers 6 Client Servers E3-1230v5 64GB Ram 128GB SSD 1 SAN Server (CPU Specs and RAM will depend on datacenter product offering) 12 x 1TB SSD in RAID5E (1PB Total) What advantage does this have over one large server? First off much better specs for VPSes. It gives the same 24 Cores (48 with HT) but at 3.4Ghz instead of 2.3Ghz. But more importantly this design allows for growth and growth in a great way. Because most of your SAN setups are going to hold a minimum of 24 disks, the SAN can be expanded in the future, so that all the OP has to do is add SSDs and client servers to grow his business. Also it allows for one of the client servers to have a hardware failure without taking out all the clients. IPs for VPS business are not hard to come by, you just have to pay for them. As mentioned, the average is $1-$2 per IP, sometimes with breaks if you get an entire /24. Since the OP is basically asking for a custom server to be built this seems like a way more viable option to me.
Posted by Nik-, 11-01-2016, 01:54 PM
What you totally miss here is that local storage is way faster and for your SAN to be fast it needs (2x) 10GbE which is very expensive, since you also need a 10GbE network card in each server.
Posted by madRoosterTony, 11-01-2016, 02:23 PM
Every SAN setup I have seen recently has 2-4 copper 10GbE network ports builtin. And the newer E3-12xxv5 motherboards with copper 10GbE cards builtin only add a few dollars to the cost of the motherboard and actually is starting to be become the standard motherboard for a lot of providers. So really the extra cost from having a switch that does 10GbE copper and these have come way down in cost in the past few years. For a client looking at something this complex, I would think most hosting companies would review this setup.
Posted by PCTechMe, 11-01-2016, 03:16 PM
12 x 2TB HD or 24 x 1TB is not going to be 1PB, isn't a PB 1000TB? Last edited by PCTechMe; 11-01-2016 at 03:21 PM. Reason: edited drive config that OP stated.
Posted by Nik-, 11-01-2016, 03:17 PM
He wants to have Raid 10, so it is 6 TB useable space and not anywhere near 1 PB.
Posted by PCTechMe, 11-01-2016, 03:24 PM
You might want to check with Database by Design. I know they do monster server and private cloud configs but not sure about your budget. They are also on East Coast not Dallas or Seattle.
Posted by madRoosterTony, 11-01-2016, 03:24 PM
Sorry, mild brain fart, you are correct would not be 1 PB. If he is using RAID 10, That is 12TB of usable disk space with 2TB SSD. Given there is basically no cost difference between 12 - 2TB SSD and 24 1TB SSD it will not make much difference from a cost perspective. But with 12 - 2TB drives he would have room to grow in a SAN.
Posted by Enon, 11-04-2016, 11:10 AM
I was able to grab the awesome deal from LW itself, I was able to do 20core, 192GB RAM and 12x900B SSD for ~580eur price tag, with all the hardware, bandwidth and 2x10Gbps port burstable to 40Gbps on my private rack. Servers are located at WDC, LW. They can configure IP space for me on these servers, but the biggest concern is where should I get these IP's from, one I found is logicweb.com but I am not sure if their IP's are configurable with my servers or not. Just looking for IP Space to be bought to configure them with my servers.
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-04-2016, 11:15 AM
Congrats fine sire on your server. It sounds to me like what you are asking or looking for are IPv4 you can lease via LOA and then announce them at your data center of choice. I can't imagine you are looking to simply GRE tunnel them from a 3rd party ISP back to your "home base" server. Although I could be wrong.
Posted by Dustin B Cisneros, 11-06-2016, 08:29 PM
Try reaching out to IPv4hosting - they can lease IPv4 to you, and LW should be able to announce them with an LOA. Prior to entertaining this, ensure LW will do this for you and if there's a cost associated to it (monthly or one time) -- most of the times, IPv4 announcement is free.
Posted by swiftnoc, 11-07-2016, 12:27 PM
Did not all companies need to declare they will use the Ipv4 assignments to them within 3 months after allocation? so how such company has large amounts of unused Ipv4 assigned to themselves? just wondering.
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-07-2016, 12:31 PM
Because that is simply not the case fine sire. I assure you there is no shortage of IPv4 available out there, including very large legacy blocks, if you know where to look. That said, rarely are individuals in need of very large netblocks, it's typically more demand from ISP's looking for long term lease.
Posted by swiftnoc, 11-07-2016, 01:55 PM
The list of reserved and assigned Ipv4 is pretty public: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...address_blocks Besides 'legacy' blocks that are not governed, i am fairly certain allocation policies with RIR's like ARIN and RIPE are pretty strict, including an explanation from the Local Internet Registry (LIR) like Internet providers, enterprises and academic institutions on how the assigned Ipv4 will be used and in what time the allocated Ipv4 will be used for at least 90% of the allocation. May i add "renting it out to 3rd parties for a substantial profit and allow them to announce it on their ASN" is not a valid reason to get Ipv4 assigned to a company. I guess its time to wake up the RIR's and make them aware of large amounts of unused - or not properly used- Ipv4 assignments.
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-07-2016, 02:02 PM
You can cry foul all you like fine sire, however the RIR's are very aware of it. If they actually cared, they would for starters, reclaim and and all IPv4 where the POC was not verified in the past calendar year, much like any registrar does now. Which they do not, nor have any future plans too as they would prefer everyone move to IPv6 as publicly stated. They are also more than aware of what is going on in the IPv4 space, and RIPE even promotes brokers on their website. So while I can see an ISP's point of view for crying in their beers about having to pay open market prices versus cheap IPv4 prices directly from the RIR, it is the way of the world. Capitalism at it's finest.
Posted by swiftnoc, 11-07-2016, 02:09 PM
I will bring this case forward at the next RIR meeting. If so, i am very curious 'why' nothing is done. May i remind you, that the RIR's have voting members? many people i know including myself are such a voting member for policy. Could you point out where RIPE is promoting brokers on their site? I can assure you that most ISP's do not have to pay open market prices. I can also assure you that many ISPs are or have employed several voting members on RIR policy and that the ISPs are certainly not "helpless" nor need to "cry in their beer" as they have the power to change policy.
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-07-2016, 02:22 PM
Calm yourself kind sire. I am aware of voting members, yes. As a "voting member" do you have any idea of the vast amount of IPv4 space out there that is available where the POC has not been updated in literally 10-15 years? Why is it that I must validate my WHOIS every single year at the registrar, or they will suspend my domain until I do so while something significantly more important in the grand scheme of things does not do the same. I would think the RIR's should be doing at minimum the same, and then reclaiming the space if not verified. For the rest, you can do your own research friend. I pointed you in the right direction.
Posted by madRoosterTony, 11-07-2016, 02:30 PM
I can say ARIN is re-acquiring IPv4 space at decent rate. Now I can not say if this is due to people not paying fees, then doing audits, or what, but weekly they are assigning new IPv4 space, normally on a very small scale /24 at time, but being on the wait list for more IPs, I can tell you we have moved up the list several times.
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-07-2016, 02:35 PM
Nice. RIPE runs their operation with an iron fist compared to the other RIR's that is for sure. However, they are also profiteering on it as well, jacking up rates.
Posted by IonicHost, 11-08-2016, 07:26 AM
Well, that's going to be expensive.
Posted by swiftnoc, 11-08-2016, 11:35 AM
He was talking about ARIN, not RIPE. Ripe is relatively relaxed compared to ARIN in many ways, including in what physical location Ipv4 is announced. Calm yourself sire, could you provide the URL backing he below claim? Thanks in advance.
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-08-2016, 11:40 AM
Stop trolling, as that is all you are basically doing now. As if this is a knowledge of policy and wit because you are a voting member. I deal with IPv4 every day, and have for a decade between the different RIR's. You can do your own research, as it's clearly posted on their site. Protip, use google.
Posted by swiftnoc, 11-08-2016, 11:49 AM
I know to what page you refer kind sir, but you are aware that these are brokers assisting with Ipv4 transfers according to the RIPE policies, ie in case of Merger and Acquisitions and that follow the RIPE policies by signing the a transfer agreement. Anyway, you made it sound like RIPE endorses making money on trading in Ipv4 and that is certainly not the case. I rest my case. I am sure you are knowledgeable in the ways of Ipv4, i do note that you do not know everything about it. Just my 0,02 cents.
Posted by BlazingSwitch, 11-08-2016, 11:53 AM
Wrong. That is not what I said, that was your perception. Big difference. If you did not let your ego get in the way, you would have read that clearly from my remarks what I was talking about. As any moderator can see from your past few replies, they are argumentative to the point of trolling to win some sort of epeen web duel as a know-it-all just because of your affiliation with an RIR. Next time, stick to what I actually SAY, not your interpretation which was clearly wrong. Thank in advance.
Posted by Chris_M, 11-08-2016, 12:03 PM
Since it appears the OP has found a server he likes, time to close this thread.

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