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Posted by goran5103, 01-15-2014, 04:37 PM
Hi Since all of us know what happened to Crocweb, I think it is time to move to someone much more reliable(in times of trouble). It is easy to be reliable and solve tickets in 30 min if problem is caused by incompetence of user. But what about real problems? OK, DDOS is mean... Is there anyone who is selling reseller hosting(or fully managed VPS) who is really DDOS protected, and proven to be good in these situations, at whatever cost. (Of course I am not talking about 600$ Black Lotus dedicated, I am talking about appropriate cost for 50-100gb reseller or VPS)
Posted by helix247, 01-15-2014, 05:26 PM
You may want to consider selecting an appropriate host and then using a third party like cloudflare.
Posted by Snoork Hosting, 01-15-2014, 05:42 PM
There is many reputable providers out there that offer DDoS protection, but yes, it's not going to be cheap. Mitigating DDoS attacks can be very expensive as you have to take all of that attack traffic in and filter it out before it manages to reach the server. As a result of DDoS attacks, bandwidth prices can quickly increase to thousands of dollars, especially when we're talking about large scale attacks. Most data centers are now equipped to handle DDoS attacks. For instance Softlayer offers Cisco Guard. A little outdated DDoS protection device, but still does the trick.
Posted by net, 01-15-2014, 05:53 PM
Does cloudflare really effective? I mean can it handle up to 10Gbps on site attack?
Posted by helix247, 01-15-2014, 05:58 PM
They claim to be able to mitigate attacks much larger than that. They take all of the incoming bandwidth and disperse it globally, filter it, and route what ever is good to the site that it should go to. I am not saying to go with them specifically, I am more suggesting that you choose a dependable reseller and then see how you can integrate a service like cloudflare with that. This way you maximize the built in protections that the web hosts will already have combined with protection from bandwidth based DDOS attacks.
Posted by Snoork Hosting, 01-15-2014, 06:02 PM
I'm pretty sure CloudFlare Enterprise for $5,000 will have no problem handling 10 Gbps attacks, but the cost is very high. I do know that CloudFlare is very good for filtering TCP attacks. Had previous experience with a customer using Business CloudFlare and it did a pretty good job handling UDP and TCP attacks.
Posted by net, 01-15-2014, 08:32 PM
How big is the attack that your client experienced? If it can handle 2Gbps, that would be good already.
Posted by hostaq, 01-16-2014, 12:22 AM
I too in the same boat, looking forward to move from Croc. Any suggestions?
Posted by BrettB, 01-16-2014, 12:41 AM
CloudFlare talks about their DDOS protection capability here with a few case studies: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en...dFlare-handle- CloudFlare definitely has a lot of network capacity available and a lot of data to form traffic models to help them better identify and filter attacks.
Posted by YagHost-Ravi, 01-16-2014, 12:48 AM
Its hard to get DDOS protected reseller hosting but you may be able to find DDOS protected managed VPS. I suggest you to check VPS offer section. Last edited by YagHost-Ravi; 01-16-2014 at 12:53 AM.
Posted by Snoork Hosting, 01-16-2014, 01:06 AM
CloudFlare doesn't provide graphs how large of an attack you are getting hit with, but I wish they did. The client was initially hosted on a non DDoS protected server with us and got hit with 2 Gbps - 3 Gbps attack. Once customer added CloudFlare Business to his site, the attacks started getting filtered out, but the security settings inside CloudFlare needed to be tweaked a little bit. Overall CloudFlare is a good option. The only problem I have noticed is that particular regions of the world experience slowness and connection issues, at least on the CloudFlare Free & Pro.
Posted by GreenHostBox - John, 01-16-2014, 01:50 AM
I cringe when people misunderstand CloudFlare's DDoS protection. The protection they offer does not protect your provider and the server you're in. For example, if the shared server that you're under is directly attacked, CloudFlare would be useless. Their protection comes into handy only when the attacker tries to attack your website directly. When you also try to resolve a site under CloudFlare, it will show one of CloudFlare's IP so the attacker can't resolve your real website IP to DDoS.
Posted by BobS_, 01-16-2014, 02:21 AM
Most people are aware of this inherit vulnerability when using a remote protection setup, but yes some do not realize the point you are trying to make. A good way to minimize the possibility from being attacked directly is to of course keep the backend IP concealed, but also by restricting direct access to the backend. While CloudFlare Free may be an affordable option to mitigate DDoS attacks, I would not build a DDoS protection service off of it.
Posted by frug, 01-16-2014, 01:48 PM
No, it's bad advice. The attacks were on IP ranges of crocweb servers, cloudflare would not have saved you. If you have a private server it will block some things, but this is not the solution you're looking for. Certainly it's not going to save your clients' emails from going down in an attack like this. I even think someone from cloudflare mentioned that this is not the sort of thing cloudflare will protect you from in the crocweb thread.
Posted by PlanetHoster, 01-16-2014, 01:56 PM
Do you require a specific location?
Posted by goran5103, 01-16-2014, 01:57 PM
Anywhere in Europe
Posted by PlanetHoster, 01-16-2014, 02:02 PM
You should not have any issues to find a good managed vps provider with ddos protection in Europe.
Posted by DWS2006, 01-17-2014, 09:03 AM
A provider specifically offering DDOS protected reseller accounts is going to be very expensive. Most of their customers will be DDOS targets for one reason or another. In regards to DDOS, a vps is a step above shared hosting but a dedicated server is the best solution (in the sense that DDOS attacks must be targeted directly at a site or IP on your server). Securedragon.net and buyvm.net offer DDOS protected VPS servers, though I'm not sure what level of filtering is offered. Purchasing a small VPS with filtering and using it as a tunnel/reverse proxy for all incoming traffic might be a cost effective option for you.
Posted by goran5103, 01-17-2014, 12:58 PM
I am surprised that no one buys dedi from black lotus for example, and split it to few VPSs, and resell it that way, if nothing smarter can be done. Those servers are not that expensive when cost is shared to few customers. Id Black lotus servers are safe enough, off course, I am not an expert
Posted by ddosguru, 01-17-2014, 08:31 PM
This is actually quite common.
Posted by goran5103, 01-17-2014, 09:13 PM
Thanks for that info. It would be interesting to know who are these companies.
Posted by Fire_starter, 01-17-2014, 11:47 PM
WOW. I had no idea Crocweb was taken down. I haven't used them in a while so it makes sense.
Posted by damoncloudflare, 01-20-2014, 04:21 PM
This is correct. We can only proxy web traffic.

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