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Have trouble finding a reseller host
| Posted by Pierson, 09-27-2007, 12:22 PM |
| 10-20 $/month
2+ GB space
20+ GB bandwidth
Unix, PHP, MySQL
CPanel
overselling enabled
unlimited or lots of accounts
very good uptime
very good support
in business a while
unlimited domains, subdomains, maillists (listserv or Mailman), email (POP and IMAP), FTP accounts, MySQL accounts
Fantastico
private nameservers
dedicated IPs possible
no overselling of the host
no reseller of someone else as a host
reasonable TOS/AUP
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| Posted by rv_irl, 09-27-2007, 01:41 PM |
| I suggest you have a look at the offers forum, create a shortlist, then search for reviews and eventually narrow it down to one host. Remember to send a lot of presales questions as well to make sure you have any ambiguities sorted..
Could you elaborate on that?
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| Posted by ldcdc, 09-28-2007, 12:24 AM |
| Easy to claim, difficult to prove or verify. I'd just stick to the host's ability to serve customers for years with few or negligible complaints.
Read some 30 or so threads in this very subforum. I'm sure you'll find the names of some hosts worthy of consideration.
God luck!
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| Posted by Pierson, 09-28-2007, 01:27 AM |
| I agree that perps and spammers should be prosecuted. I do not agree with a host telling me already in his TOS that he will hand over my data to anyone halfway official sounding, even without a court order. In too many TOS I have read stuff like this:
We will not provide any personally identifiable information about you to any other person other than a law enforcement or regulatory agency at their request;...Therefore, Subscriber agrees that the Company may disclose any and all subscriber information including assigned IP numbers, account history, account use, etc. to any law enforcement agent who makes a written request without further consent or notification to the Subscriber.I also dislike TOS and AUP with blanket statements regarding acceptable content like "no nudity" instead of "no porn" for example, or "no download files" instead of "Warez". This means a picture of Michelangelo's David or your wife breastfeeding can cause your suspension as easily as Traci Lords stills. Or that the couple of free blog templates or the occasional plugin can mean termination of account as easily as keygens or illegal MP3s.
I can do without either such insecurities.
I did. I even tried accounts with the socalled "best hosts" as reviewed here. So far no real luck.
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| Posted by valentin_nils, 09-28-2007, 02:36 AM |
| Pierson" I dont understand your sceptism. If you have questionable material that you want to host than why not maintain your own servers ?
The above mentioned points are only really a show stopper if you have contents that is questionable. Any halfway decent hosting company will contact you if there is something they would like to discuss with you before shutting down your account, etc. I am managing several reseller accounts and never run into any kind of issues.
I did once forget to pay, and another time an e-mail account was brute forced. Iin both cases I was reminded by e-mail what actions are supposed to be taken and the live went on. I am with each of those hosting companies for 3+ years.
If you are afraid that your wifes picture might get you into trouble than just make your users or anybody else in your online family aware of some netiquette.
Last edited by valentin_nils; 09-28-2007 at 02:42 AM.
Reason: title added
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| Posted by Pierson, 09-28-2007, 02:59 AM |
| It is a matter of principle.
I do not have any questionable material which I want hosted. That is unless someone would consider a photo of breastfeeding questionable or the many other socially accepted forms of nudity. The same goes for file downloads and quite a couple of other issues.
Blanket terms (of service) mean that you open yourself up to interpretation by people you have not even met in person. I doubt that many of these hosts truly understand what they put into their TOS with these blanket terms and the legal consequences thereof. Whatever, I am not about to sign a contract having them. I would not do so when renting a car or a house either.
I also insist on a host not touting my private data to just about anyone who is interested enough to write them. If there is a court order, fine by me, as this is highly unlikely to happen. But any lawyer or official sounding clerk who happens to develop an interest? Without any proof and legal cause? Because that is what such privacy policies enable hosts to do and you can do nothing against it after you signed that.
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| Posted by valentin_nils, 09-28-2007, 04:43 AM |
| Why not maintain your own servers ?
(it sounds like this is what you need)
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| Posted by Pierson, 09-28-2007, 07:03 AM |
| Why would I want to have servers, if all I need is host a couple of sites?
Not to speak of the fact, that I would need to know how to maintain servers in the first place. And TOS apply to servers just as to shared hosting accounts.
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| Posted by iHubNet-Matt, 09-28-2007, 08:58 AM |
| If that is the case I think you may need to talk with the host regarding your specific needs before you sign up with them.
Also, in many cases, a host will receive complaints from their upstream providers when there is something illegal or offensive and they will have to take some action. Mostly all hosts will give you an email asking for an explanation with an ample time like 24 or 48 hours and if couldn't give them a reply they will suspend your account.
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| Posted by Pierson, 09-28-2007, 09:48 AM |
| This is no answer to my question.
There are hosts out there who have reasonable TOS/AUP. I am looking for one which has such and meets my other requirements.
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| Posted by Nnyan, 09-28-2007, 01:38 PM |
| Your question is hard to answer b/c your needs are not totally clear. Yes we know your required resources but like you said TOS/AUP is open to interpretation.
I don't know any quality host that does not limit accounts in one way or another, it's really the only way to keep a viable business. What you need to do if find yourself quality hosts (pretty easy to do with a little research on these forums) and then let the host know your concerns and make sure they have no issues with your content.
You have to understand that your definition of reasonable may be from a hosts perspective not so. I have seen more then one host suffer b/c of what some people may define as a "reasonable" TOS/AUP.
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| Posted by Pierson, 09-28-2007, 02:30 PM |
| Not so difficult when you look at some TOS:
http://www.unitedhosting.co.uk/tos.php
https://www.liquidweb.com/about/sharedtos.html
Good AUP
http://www.jaguarpc.com/about/policy-aup.php
and an outstandingly straight TOS
http://www.jaguarpc.com/about/policy-tos.php
Their basic reseller is a bit much but sounds interesting too. Anyone with experience with jaguarpc?
All those above are samples of clear-cut, straight TOS/AUP, so it is obviously not as if hosts were forced to obfuscate or needed to try to encompass every eventuality.
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| Posted by sclick95, 09-28-2007, 03:03 PM |
| It sounds like you are on your way in making up a short-list of candidate hosts.
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| Posted by Pierson, 09-28-2007, 03:11 PM |
| Not really. These hosts are way above budget and specs. I just pointed out that "reasonable TOS/AUP" is easily possible.
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| Posted by 040Hosting, 09-28-2007, 04:13 PM |
| Pierson,
JaguarPC is a great company with great support, if they meet all your requirements about reselling i do not know, but i am sure their sales department can help you out on that.
Good luck with finding a host to your needs.
p/s i wonder why you want to be able to oversell, but do not want the host to do so, i can not really understand this logic.
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| Posted by Pierson, 09-28-2007, 11:40 PM |
| About overselling myself but not the host: I control the situation to a large extent, these are webmaster accounts of clients I host. When I see them growing I can upgrade, but giving them 100 MB accounts they really use sounds skimpy compared to say 300 MB. I like to always have 25-30% unused ressources so it is not that I crowd things.
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| Posted by 040Hosting, 09-29-2007, 03:56 AM |
| I see, that is the problem, you want the host not to do this, but you allow ALL other resellers of that host to do this as well, see the problem ?
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| Posted by Pierson, 09-29-2007, 04:08 AM |
| As long as the host doesn't oversell, there is no problem. A reseller has only so much ressources allocated to him. If his clients exceed that total he will have to upgrade. If this total sits on a server able to digest ist (= not oversold itself), no problem. If it sits on a server unable to, definitely a problem. I have seen the effects of both policies (oversold host-overselling resellers vs. not oversold host-overselling resellers) and it bears out as described.
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| Posted by 040Hosting, 09-29-2007, 04:16 AM |
| Just do not forget that the resources most are talking about are merely disk space and bandwidth, however two equally important resources are mostly not taken in consideration CPU and memory consumption. (yes there are even more as these, but lets focus on the main 4)
Personally i feel we loose control if we would allow resellers to oversell on all factors of overselling hence the reason we do not choose to do so. But others may have their ways to solve this issue for them.
Just make sure the host you choose takes all in consideration as well. If you do so you must be able to find a great host for yourself.
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| Posted by Nnyan, 10-02-2007, 08:02 PM |
| JPC is an excellent host, and they seem to offer accounts that meet your needs. As to the overselling aspect, I wish you good luck with that.
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