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Posted by gsu90, 12-22-2004, 12:56 PM I am hearing that Alabanza is experiencing some financial problems and maybe reducing its staff - therefore crippleing its existing client base. Anyone know of this?
Posted by NetCloud, 12-29-2004, 04:51 PM I read this on FC: Alacasam Rumor has it Alabanza has cut staff again. Several FC reports say the company is so broke they got their last paychecks from Bulk Register, Alabanza sister firm. If Alabanza closes its doors a half million sites may be snuffed out without warning. When: 12/20/2004 Company: Alabanza Severity: 90 Points: 190
Posted by intellec, 12-30-2004, 01:22 AM That is amazing. I thought they were solid. FC does seem to have good information, but people in this industry better hope it isn't true. Talking about huge fall-out and growth stress on other hosts.
Posted by MattF, 12-30-2004, 11:59 AM There was once a day when most hosts at WHT where Alabanza based, now I fail to name one. Last edited by MattF; 12-30-2004 at 12:03 PM.
Posted by NetCloud, 12-30-2004, 12:06 PM Yea, they had a great product in 1999/2000, but the costs remained very high, I personally know of 3 hosting companies moving to hsphere and they tell me they will save thousands of dollars, and it will also allow them to increase their disk/bandwidth per plan greatly. It's a shame that the company that help many companies get their start now holds them back with limited disk/bandwidth and high costs forcing them to jump ship.
Posted by SLH-Ken, 12-30-2004, 02:22 PM Hate to say it, but I have seen this comming, especially in the last few months...
Posted by CRego3D, 12-30-2004, 02:57 PM Alabanza has it all, they had a great in-house CP, and a good platform for resellers, and it was all good while they were charging 400/mo per server .. problem is, after 1 year, the price was supose to hik to 800/mo per server .. and that made allot of peopl bail after the first year. they also didnt really improve much on their cp .. and didnt got on with times on the hardware side ..
Posted by snickn, 12-30-2004, 03:18 PM Alabanza's problem is that they haven't made any changes to stay with the times...their platform and even pricing seemto be in the same range it was 3-4 years ago. That's my outside view, although I did do some work with a sister company of a large (one of the larger?) alabanza based company.
Posted by VapoRub, 12-30-2004, 08:27 PM Well obviously their officers are not doing their job.
Posted by pmabraham, 12-30-2004, 10:01 PM Greetings: A few years back when we were moving from renting servers at NTT/Verio to co-locating servers, we checked out Alabanza. Their product model, in and of itself, is very sound. They do provide true, fully managed servers with a completely integrated, relatively fully automated hosting solution. For many providers and resellers who do not have good in-house server management skills or have a tightly trusted relationship with an outside firm, Alabanza does serve a key niche market. The caveat is that you have to go through a lot just to get real root access to the server, and the operating system and component packages tend to be severely outdated (keeping in mind Internet time frames of obsolecense are shorter, faster, than brick and motar). And their system is highly proprietary. There are no add on providers. With H-Shere you have http://www.hspheretemplates.com/ and http://www.hspherepackages.com/ just two name two. When we researched total cost of ownership, break even on investment, et al, we found that moving to co-location (Alabanza rents their platform on their servers) utilizing H-Sphere provided the best of all worlds. H-Sphere provided the same, complete, integrated automation, allowed for the offering to be multi-platform, and we could even through in rented servers at various data centers around the world into the H-Sphere cluster. Thank you.
Posted by DesElms, 01-01-2005, 02:07 AM Is anyone who's been around this industry a while really and truly surprised by any of this? I mean... really?
Posted by Aussie Bob, 01-01-2005, 03:22 AM Yes indeed. Times they are a changing, Matt. Makes you wonder what the next 4 to 5 years will bring in changes to the hosting game.
Posted by The3bl, 01-01-2005, 05:15 AM Greetings: dynamicnet Can you tell me what your using HSphere has to do with Alabanza having problems? Unless you are suggeting that your decsion is what drove them to the brink. That is if they are and this is not just another internet rumor.
Posted by thebubba, 01-01-2005, 08:44 PM Wow! I always thought they were pretty solid! I'm really surprised
Posted by Joshua, 01-02-2005, 04:06 PM He was showing how outdated Alabanza's technology was, and how weak their outdated control panel is compared with similar offerings.
Posted by niyogi, 01-02-2005, 08:18 PM I believe that Apollo Hosting is on their platform - they're fairly large. Anybody care to confirm? Roj
Posted by NetCloud, 01-02-2005, 08:42 PM They switched to plesk if you check out their site, I'm sure they are planning a migration as we speak.
Posted by gromitmpl, 01-04-2005, 12:49 AM DesElms - what do you know that we dont? Im surprised frankly. Actually its funny how this thread started with "Rumor has it" and has become some kind of fact. Alabanza reducing staff ? That might be a good thing though Ill admit having to have BR pay its bills does indicate trouble. Do we have any other information on this?
Posted by DesElms, 01-11-2005, 10:40 PM Easy, there, gromitmp... I'm not the one who started the thread. All I said in my earlier post in this thread is that no one who's something of an "old-timer" in the hosting industry, as I am, should be surprised that Alabanza is having problems. Frankly, I've always been surprised that it survived the big blitz when most of their customers abandoned them a few years back when they skyrocketed their costs; and the ever-trickling abandonment since because there has been nary an improvement or enhancement to speak of to its product. And Alabanza still charges too much. Alabanza boasts that it drives over 175,000 web sites; but do you realize what a tiny drop in the Internet bucket that is? At one time, Alabanza was just about the only game in town; and I would argue that Alabanza can be credited with having developed the first truly powerful and stable nix-based hosting control panel in the industry. It still beats out, feature-for-feature, several of the other hosting control panels that some others in these fora routinely tout as superior. But high-end products like cPanel, HSphere and Plesk out-paced Alabanza's control panel product long ago -- an assertion with which I can't believe anyone who's been paying attention would argue. And these things we have been talking about here are far from the only things about Alabanza that are irritating for its customers. Even in its heyday its support left something to be desired. Oh, sure, it started out okay... but within a year or two it had deteriorated markedly. Annette, from Hosting Matters, should chime-in, here. As many who've been around a while probably remember, she and Stephanie were, in the beginning of their now-scandalously-successful (and deservedly so) hosting business, quite hard-core Alabanza lovers -- as well they should have been. After all, it was a fine system when it first started-out... and very nearly the only game in town. But Hosting Matters had issues and problems relatively early-on in its experience with Alabanza, and it wasn't all that long after that it simply moved out and to a cPanel-based system in a different data center altogether. Though Hosting Matters has since upgraded its data center a time or two, it remains a cPanel-based hosting provider (not that I'm saying that cPanel is necessarily the best control panel, incidentally). If I had to guess, I'd say that Hosting Matters' Alabanza experience is very similar, generally, to that of most now-former Alabanza-based providers. It may not have been the price, alone, or the service, alone, or the failure to update, alone, or any of the other irritating little things about Alabanza back then that chased its customers away in droves some years back; but those things, combined, certainly served to eventually plummet Alabanza from its place atop the hosting industry heap down to where it is today. That's, at least in part, why I asked if anyone who's been around this industry for a while was actually surprised by the news -- be it rumor or otherwise -- that Alabanza may be in trouble. That's all I meant. And, by the way... has the "Stable, Profitable Since 1995" graphic, and also the "Deloitte Fast 50 - Ranked Number 2" graphic and link always been at the top of Alabanza's web site; or is it something they recently added when the rumors about their shaky financial stability started a week or two ago? By the way, I was the director of marketing (a temporary contract position which I loathed) for a Florida structured cabling and data center infrastructure contractor a few years back. They made it to that Deloitte "Fast 50" list, too. They're out-of-business today -- and didn't even get bought by anyone. They just died. So, just a word to the wise: Always be careful what you permit to impress you.
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